but what leslie stall is doing what mike wallace did, very successfully. and i do it, too. you are skeptical of what mr. rodriguez is saying. oh, come on. we don't do that here in america. we -- and you want to get rodriguez passionate in his defense. you want to get the juices flowing in the interview. so that he gives you more than he might with you agreeing with him. if you are going that's right. you are right. if you go come on, we can't be having the guy's hands up like that. it's not like going to the gym. so what leslie stall was doing was bear baiting. putting the carrot by the bare so the bear gets angrier and angrier. that's a technique that people use on television. >> yeah. it's also gay technique too i can get into t more off the air if you like. >> bill: no, i don't, thank you. >> i'm saying we here sit in our safe homes and watch 60 minutes on television and then we act appalled when these guys go out and do the dirty work it's their job to get information from people to stop the next 9/11. >> bill: you are more angry with the faint hearts who don't want any